#1/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : Los Angeles by Night
02/05/97 01:49am
There are a lot of problems with L.A. Shitloads, in fact. However, in
my opinion, there is one that rises above the rest as paramount. It needs to be
solved and by Jove, it shall be.
In Los Angeles, there just isn't enough shit to do After Hours.
What's to be done about it? I don't know. I'll tell you what, though.
you come with me and maybe together we can figure it out. Show those rat
bastards on the East coast what -we- can do, s'right?
Let's go...
#2/50: By: diatribe (#4) : RTD
03/11/97 05:10pm
oops, faux paus. MTA, walk, etc. Family Service of los angeles offers need
based therapy on a sliding scale. josh/nicodemus has had no car for years and
has maintained a job that's moderately far from him for years. he makes enough
money to pay the rent and has enough left over to live comfortably. he takes
the bus.
#3/50: By: gosubrun (#16) : um
03/12/97 12:50am
the whole point is lost on me.
I have lived here for 13 years, and except for 1 year less 1 month, i have had
no car.
this has not stopped me from getting to and climbing mts boney and baldy,
going to raves and afterhours joints, going to sinematic dressed only in about
1/2 ounce of teddy material, hitting Al's, getting every job i have had, going
on road trips with friends to the Early Man site in Calico, taking the bus from
LA to San Diego, going to Redondo pier, exploring downtown and east LA, going
to the Garment District, getting out to Zuma for some wicked trench curls,
hanging out in Venice, going out to Thousand Oaks, following the thrash'n'trash
crowds around to the new places, rising out to Leo Carillo do do magick and
mushrooms on the moonlit beach, rambling around Pasadena...
most of which was done using public transportation, which i still use now.
it never stopped Michael Ventura either.
Or a lot of people in this town.
you are hypnotized by the Californian mindset.
oh yeah: now i have a bicycle, which i take to work (22 mi round trip) when
it's light enough to not get knocked off the road by car pissants who think a
18lb steel frame is a threat to their enclosed reinforced vehicles.
I ride my bike from Hollywood to San Fernando and Eagle Rock, Silverlake and
Beverly Hills. I rode to Venice a few times.
if you're worried about clubbing in rather daring clothing, budget for a cab.
and even if you're dressed in a short miniskirt, lacy blouse and pumps, shoving
a can of mace into the face of a late-night bus hassler usually convinces them
to pick on someone else. If not, the straight razor usually does it. And if
that doesn't work, the little derringer (a girl's best friend!) does.
"i don't got a car;
i don't get around much;
i don't got a car;
i don't get around much"
-peter laughner
#4/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : points
03/12/97 02:38am
[I appreciate these more constructive posts, I really do]
diatribe: He works at Universal Studios. It's not exactly not on the
map. B'sides, I haven't seen Josh in over a hundred years...
gosub:
1) Certainly won't doubt it. Show me. Teach me. Mail me
schedules. Whatever...
2) Michael who?
3) California mindset? But of course! I'd even go as far to say
Southern California mindset [huff, huff ;>]...
4) Had a bike; it got stolen. Other'n that...if I could afford
cabs, I'd have saved all that cash! ;> Bloody things cost an arm, a leg, and a
nut. And my appearance keeps me from being bugged by anyone short of the
LAPD....;>
Seriously, though...any and all details are welcome...
-Il Diavolo
#5/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Adagio:
03/12/97 07:32pm
I got myself put on a "rage" mailing list, through some of the people
I met at one I was able to pick up rides to as far away as MOJAVI
and as close as ingelwood (from me) I did have to help spring for
gas but 5 bux in a honda goes way further then a cab---
I dont know what your financial situation is but you may consider
a motercycle, if your tags are up to date, and you dont look like
a hells angel, cops tend to not notice you - I rode various bikes
for 6 years without a liscence or insurance
you can prob. find a mid 1980's "jap-bike" in the paper for about 500
bux - the way i always got mine was to poke around apartment complex
parking lots, theres ALWAYS an old bike there whoose owner lost
intrest or had to many close calls ect. If you have no experiance
with motorcycles look for one in the 350 to 500 cc range, they are
cheap, fast enough for freeways, use tiney amounts of gas and dont
draw too much attention - 6-7 dollars worth of gas will get you to
Laguna *and* back, with gas left over for work on monday morning
tires for this cc range run about 25 dollars each (el cheepo variety)
and a generic battery cost about 20 (if needed) a hanes shop manuel
runs 15-20 and if you have tools you can make repairs yourself, if
you are not mechanically enclined (which i doubt) the HANES manuels
are written from a "Never held a wrench before" point of view
in the days when i had NO money, No job, and no respect
for "The system" I always had a motercycle
oh yeah, bikes park for free in most lots and if your on
the street you find lil niches to park in, its the most
hassel free transpo around - except for 1 thing
If you go down its gonna hurt "BAD" so ride safe.
good luck
ZAPHOD
#6/50: By: Beledi (#65) : Oh, the horror stories I could tell
03/12/97 10:22pm
you about motorcycles. To anyone riding one, please do be careful. Like
Zaphod said, if you go down, it will hurt and chances are you will be missing a
body part or two. Ouch. Personally, I never touch the things.
#7/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : well
03/13/97 11:38am
Bel: Desperate measures for desperate times, darlin'. 'Sides,
everyone's got 'orror stories...I 'eard 'em all...
Zaph: Well, the financial situation is bad. Always has been. I'm
basically waitin' for someone to croak, 'ere. Still, I've given the 'cycle idea
more'n a bit o' credence as time wears on, though I'm told it's a lot more
difficult than it looks. Any truth to that?
I may just have to find me a sugar-daddy to pay for the leather chaps,
though...;>
thanks for the info, mate...
-Il Diavolo...off to find the Independent...
#8/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : truth to how hard it is to ride a bike:
03/13/97 12:35pm
Its not reilly hard, per'se'- If you know how to drive a stick then
its real easy, if not you can learn fast- the cluch is engaged w/
your left hand and you shift gears w/ your left foot, sounds
confusing, but it becomes reflex after a (short) while
If you get a bike and dont know how to use it take it (somehow)
out to a BIG empty parkinglot like at a school on the weekend
then practice turning, breaking and shifting,
theres a lot of "tricks" to staying alive on a motercycle
the CAL.HIGHWAY PATROL is the best source of this info there
manuels are free (if you dont have a liscence though dont
ride your bike over there) mostly though you just have to
ride PARANOID with the idea that its open season on YOU, all the
other drivers are drunk, blind and want to run you down so
always watch EVRYTHING
Zaphod
#9/50: By: diatribe (#4) : if i had a chance i'd ask the world to dance
03/13/97 05:59pm
don't wear panty hose on a motorcycle.
tetsuo almost crashed a motorcycle into the silverlake resavouir (fuck, can't
spell today) and still says they're safe and easy to drive. tetsuo and i took
the MTA all the way from LACMA to his house, without ever trying before and at
peak on our ACID trips!!! i think you could handle it...
i've been thinking about trying acid one more time, perhaps i might have misses
something...
#10/50: By: Beledi (#65) : Heard it all huh?
03/13/97 06:31pm
I spent 3 months as a patient on a trauma ward, and one poor man came in with
not face. He went down on his motorcycle and he was wearing a helmet with a
face plate. The darn thing broke off and he skidded on the cement on his face.
Thus he lost his face and now has a noseless circle of road burn. Ya heard
that one?
#11/50: By: HAL 9000 (#73) : Guy with no face is a motorcycle
03/13/97 07:09pm
story that gets told frequently. It DOES sometimes happen and it is NOT an
urban legend.
#12/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Ahem....
03/14/97 01:27am
I LOST (yes lost, as in CAME OFF) my back tier at 85 mhp, I lived..
I rode the damb bike underneath a Shirocco, I lived...
I have had my eye balls freeze at sub zero tempratures on the
grapevine at 70 mph...I lived
I have ridden from San Jose to L.A. IN THE RAIN, I was wet....
I have dodged, old ladies, dogs, Crips bald tires and bad attitudes
but some how, the biker god was looking after me...
The times I went down was because I was doing something STUPID
theres RULES to riding a bike, make no mistake, its not save by
ant strech of the imagination, it is however the cheapest form
of transpo next to a bycycle- theres gonna be a trade
besides - the chix dig it! :-}
If adagio should get a motorcycle I would be happy to answer
any of the "how to questions" that they dont tell yo on the
owners manuel , like:
fewer bike accidents take place in the far left lane of the
freeway (fast lane) so thats where you ride ALWAYS
Stay to the left or right of the lane your in NEVER in the
middle, thats where all the oil from cars is...
ya know thoes big arrows cal-trans paints in left turn lanes?
well, they are slipery, and they are like ice when they get
wet...
Ya know when you get off the freeway, at the bottom of the
offramp to the far sides (right & left) thats GRAVEL CITY...
What is the most important thing to look at when your at a stop
sign/signal? You should be concentrating on the rear view
mirrors - youll be able to see when some bone head doesnt see
till its to late, most motercyclists dont know they are about to
rear ended till they hear the schreeching bo brakes behind them
if you watch you can juce it out of the way in time ( and I have
lotsa times)
Bikes are inherantly dangerious, however there are lots of
things a responsable rider can do to preserve there life
mostely its a matter of having a good healthy respect for
what CAN happen - minimize your risk.
zaphod
#13/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : well
03/14/97 02:21am
Bel: Yep. Heard that one.
dia: I'd never wear pantyhose; I'm more of a garters and stockings
kinda guy. And I would rather not blow the $1.35 on an entire day of grand
adventures trying to get somewhere; it's not my idea of a good time and good
times are what's important.
Hal: Same with a lotta shit, mann. That's life. And if it happens,
well, maybe you'll read my obituary after I kill myself...
Zap: My thoughts exactly. And FYI, I just filled another saved
scrollback bugger. Much obliged, m'man. Still...I don't think the chicks really
go for the motorcycle thing as much as they used to. I think now they're all
afraid of getting killed...;>
oh well...! ;>
-Il Diavolo...I knew about the arrows in the left turn lanes, tho...I
slipped on one just walking across the street in the rain...;>
#14/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : damnit, I love it when I'm actually learningsomething...!
03/14/97 02:29am
#15/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Well theres LOTS more
03/14/97 01:52pm
I love motorcycles, I dont ride any more becaues I love my son even
more ..... if you have any more questions though Just ask
I could talk (type?) about this subject fer days
ZAPHOD
#16/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : well, I figured
03/15/97 04:54am
Makes sense. S'what a lotta people say. I'll let ya know if something
comes to me, tho...
-Il Diavolo
#17/50: By: lucifer (#102) : Such an angry mood people are in today. my my...
03/15/97 03:28pm
Good thing St. Patrick's Day festivities and stuff is happening to try to
smooth out the rough edges in life.
#18/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Yes I agree /lucifer
03/15/97 05:38pm
Just for that day Im Zaophd O'Zphagill, but im gonna screem
if sombody puts green stuff in my Gargelblasters did I ever tell
ya about the time i was in the Youkon Territory on St, Patties day?
stoped in at this combo road house-postoffice-general store-hotel-
type if community meeting house that you find evry 100 miles or so
on the AL-CAN highway Got complety trashed with some eskimoes who
didnt know who saint pattie was but any reason tie one one, especally
if the stranger was buyin' - :-}
#19/50: By: diatribe (#4) : kool-aid green
03/16/97 12:15am
dye yourself green for saint patty's. just take three (or more) BIG packets of
green kool-aid and put them in a tub (warning tub will be green for quite a
while) with just enough water to succesfully splash around in. make sure to
get all visible parts of your body, behind ears and on face or you will look
funny (not that you wouldn't being dyed green). happy holidays. to dye your
air with kool aid, make a thick paste out of kool-aid and water (very little)
and distribute evenly in hair. cover hair with plastic (before applying paste,
vasoline all skin around forehead, ears, and back of neck) and heat with
hairdryer. leave in longer for more intense color and rinse out without
shampoo. enjoy. all of these results will last for a month or so. be
careful. :) don't dye yourself orange, you will get beat up.
#20/50: By: HAL 9000 (#73) : i don't understand, diatribe, why will
03/16/97 10:04pm
you get beat up if you dye yourself orange?
By the way, I usually wear black on St. Patricks day. The "snakes" St. Patrick
is said to have driven out of Ireland were the pagan clergy who had taught the
ways of the God and Goddess before the coming of the sad, new, religion of sin
and pain.
#21/50: By: Radio Free Willy (#3) : orange
03/17/97 11:50am
is the color of the Irish Protestants. Not a good thing to be wearing in an
Irish bar on St. Patty's Day.
There never were any snakes in Ireland. It is symbolic. Snakes get a bad rap
in Christianity. Is it because they reminded the medieval types of penes?
Beverly Hills Paint is the slippriest. They either replace it more often, or
use thicker stuff. Shit, I've had it put a **car** sideways.
#22/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : I always thought
03/17/97 06:46pm
the paint in interstate 80 outside winnamucka Nevada was particularly
dangerious - Twice (mind you) I almost "looked pritty in the grave"
passing cars over obisticle course of double black and yellow lines
yhat had BOT DOTS (little ceramic turtle shells that tell you
when your drifting into the wrong lane -THUBBA -THUBBA -THUBBA)
but as i said it was when i was doing something STUPID
see yer not supposed to cross double black lines ARE YA(!)
Though I will be very carefull in BH now.
#23/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : nice to see that, once again,
03/19/97 04:44am
...the Catholics outdo the Protestants in terms of style and
presentation...
...and, umm...double-black? whuzzat?
Snakes rule. It's all about Set and Apep, baby...
-Il Diavolo
#24/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Um,
03/19/97 01:31pm
The lines in middele of 2 lane hwy that tell you its ileagle to
pass, in this case they had 2 sets of these with BOT DOTS seperating
them kinda like
____________________________________________________
====================================================
****************************************************
====================================================
_____________________________________________________
This is hilly terain lots of dips and shit, so they REILLY
dont want you to pass, but being the psychotic jap-bike monster
from hell - the rules did not apply to ME (woops, slide, recover,
change pants)
Zaphod
#25/50: By: Joseph (#1) (SysOp) : that'd be
03/20/97 07:53pm
Botts Dots. I think the fellow's name was Botts.
#26/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Reilly:
03/21/97 05:32pm
I never knew what they were called, till one day my friends pack rat
dad brought a box of them home, (he worked for CAL-TRANS) was gonna
smash them into small pieces and set them in wet cement for his patio
he may have said "Bott's dots" I dunno-
#27/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : but...
03/22/97 12:24am
If Yer at high speed, and you hit one of then (specally when its wet)
its slip city! and recovery can be the diffrence can be RIPE OLD AGE or
LOKIN PRITTY IN THE GRAVE
or worse, just bin paralized with a tube up your nose for the rest of yer daze
#28/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : sounds like lookin' pretty in the grave either way
03/24/97 02:15am
Oh...you mean the double-yellows? Yeah...don't cross those...unless
there's no other way to get out of the bloody car-pool lane...;>
-Il Diavolo
#29/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : after hours
03/24/97 02:16am
...somehow, it all involves food. Canter's, Jerry's Famous Deli, Nova
Express...the search continues...
-Il Diavolo
#30/50: By: Beledi (#65) : I don't know if this counts as L.A.
03/24/97 11:20pm
after hours, but HAL and I found a great spot to go for a moonlight picnic just
north of Malibu- Lots of privacy. Fun.
#31/50: By: Radio Free Willy (#3) : Botts Dots.
03/25/97 11:44am
We had some in our driveway when I was a little kid, held down by spikes, but
the new ones are a lot different. I think they glue 'em down. Strong little
mothers.
Canter's has always been a fave here. Food isn't so terrific, but who cares at
3 AM, and the waitresses call you Honey and run after you in the street with
the guitar pick you dropped.
#32/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Yes
03/25/97 01:34pm
They glue Botts dots to the ground with (get this) ROAD EPOXIE
real extreem stuff, has lots of other uses, dries fast and hard
my friends dad used some to seal a cracked engine block
you could literally glue someone into there house w/ this
stuff, just calk up all the doors and windows with it and
2-3 hours (rain or shine) none will ever move again.
#33/50: By: HAL 9000 (#73) : Cool, where can I get some?
03/25/97 02:43pm
I've got a couple of people I'd like to glue inside of their houses!!
#34/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : heh
03/25/97 04:06pm
Beledi: I spent Saturday morning in Malibu...in the back of a Nissan
240...it practically turned me insane. I was rescued by a McDonald's hashbrown
thingie and returned to normal...
RFW: That's pretty cool. I've never actually eaten at Canter's. I've
just walked in, looked at the stuff and wished I had money for bread, and then
used the bathroom.
Zaphod: Road epoxy, eh? Sounds like the perfect joke gift! Just put it
in a tube and tell your friends it's a lubricant!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
HAL: Same here!
-Il Diavolo
#35/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : easy
03/26/97 12:25am
ya just gotta "know someone" over at the local CAL-TRANS yard
it comes in 5 gallon buckets, the hardner comes in 1 gallon
buckets (a 1:5 ratio) they wont miss a few hundred gallons around
audit time.....fact is when i was a board little vandal we actually
glued the doors shut at ROBINSONS - it was hoot!
#36/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTY!!!
03/26/97 04:06pm
#37/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Im shure Adagio
03/26/97 11:25pm
you were there if not in body, then for shure in spirit
I knew you would understand......
#38/50: By: gosubrun (#16) :
03/27/97 08:57pm
whew.
road epoxie. i like it. i want some.
being half irish myself, and knowing the reason most irish drink is the reason
most native americans or indeed any tribal peoples drink: to try to remember
the lost world, i tend not to drink to excess for the sainted man, tho he was
aid to have had a great debate with Finn. He did, after all, chase out the
clergy, and him a man of god...
snakes are associated with pagans mainly because of the Pythoness at Delphi and
the fact that snakes are revered for their ability to shed skin and rebirth.
Besides, they look like penises. Not rat penises. Jimi Hendrix penises.
a cheap fix is the $11 weekly pass for MTA, good for buses and metro rail.
take a Magickal Mystery Tour; just get on a bunch of buses one day and see
where they go. Cheap tour. Go to an MTA center (Vine and Hollywood) and get
every schedule you see there. Look at them and put the maps together and figure
out a route to and from. Don't call because you'll never get through and their
advice sux. DIY. You can plan outings and walkabouts to faraway areas like
Malubu, Redondo and more. Use common sense and basic city knowledge and you're
fine. Ride out to the rich people's suburbs and check it out. Go camo. Skulk.
michael ventura was an interesting writer. he now lives in Austin.
i have had 2 bikes stolen. but they're only about $40 at the goodwill; you
gotta go constantly to scope them out; some real beauties come through there.
Then new tires when you can and a little white grease and so on. Get one of
those U-bolt locks; they are dang hard to cut. ALWAYS lock it.
Get leather gloves and one of those gel saddlepads, worth GOLD for long rides.
#39/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : Y'mean MacCool?
03/28/97 02:43am
Might check out the MTA centre. Dunno 'bout the tour, though. The day I
disappear from my Circle is the day They all start looking for me; I know it's
happened before and it's a HUGE pain the ass...
'Owever, things might be looking up. I think my luck is kicking back
in...
-Il Diavolo
#40/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Do tell...
03/29/97 03:01am
I mean about yer luck, whats going on?
#41/50: By: diatribe (#4) : WALKABOUTWALKABOUT!!! :)
03/29/97 03:55am
canters is spensive for those with little wallets :)
but love latkas
so i must go. :) and rodney bingenheimer chases young skirts.
THe Reason those painted lines are so slippery is because they put a top layer
on TINY glass beads on the top of the paint to make it reflective. I used
these glass beads in my experimental painting class last summer. They're
smaller than roe (fish eggs), almost dust like. Each bead is perfectly round,
glass, and SLIPPERY! If you scatter them on thick gel medium, you get a cool
effect. One of the younger girls in the class spilled a teeny amount while
scattering and almost broke her neck. wierd! :)
They are super reflective . . .
I like the subway. Take it to Olvera Street. Find out what they do at 2600
meets. I hear those go pretty late. Go meet some of the unlikelies there.
:)
THe young, blond guy with the hello kitty business cards deals pure mdma, or so
he says.
#42/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : hm.
03/29/97 05:08am
Zaph: Well, I dunno just yet...things just seem to be coming together,
so I can get a better handle on the benefits of completing those Things I Need
To Do. [Vague enough for ya?] Basically, I just need to get down to the DMV
ASAP to get another permit. After that, I will become the Rampaging Beast That
Gets Shit Done When It Really Needs To. It's a very difficult and painful
transformation, but The Power received will be The Key to open those doors
previously locked.
Sometimes it's terribly frustrating being Longshot, but I do enjoy the
security...
Diat: This is why we just look at the bread while we're inside and
maybe, if they have any, buy a honeybun. Otherwise, it's just a handier place
to take a leak than Nova. ;> Still, I wasn't impressed with the eyewitness
accounts of what they do at 2600 meets and I don't read their fuckin' hack rag
anyway, so I think it would be impolite and improper for me to do so. STILL...
how much for the MDMA?
-Il Diavolo
'Sides, how's a 2600 meet going to compare to a usermeet at Adagio's?
It couldn't possibly.
#43/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : 2600 MEET or MEAT?
03/29/97 10:47pm
whats the place all about, am a missing yet another THING.
#44/50: By: Adagio (#25) (SIGOp) : 2600
04/02/97 02:58am
it's a phreak mag. they have meets. lotta phones involved.
I would -not- say it's a thing you're missing...unlesss your into phone
phreaking...
er, you're not your...ugh...
-Il Diavolo
#45/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : Didnt know what "Phreaking was"
04/02/97 04:43pm
So I down loaded all the "anarchy" files from the tool box - well as
near as i can see its a way to use the phone lines for your computer
without paying for it....but all thie info in there was 5-6 years
old...(by the way) thinfo was couched in with stuff from highschool
kids on how to screw your enemies, and how to stael "blinkies"
as well as the various points you get for the various colors
sheesh! Phrealing sound like a MAJOR BUST if you get caught.
Please enlighten me.
#46/50: By: diatribe (#4) : phreaking
04/03/97 01:29am
free phone.
manipulation of free phone.
originated "trashcan/dumpster diving" in bell dumpsters for numbers to
important or special dail-ups, still unsure on that one.
i hear there are lots of things you can do... though i'm not sure what. :)
grey areas of phreaking include building redboxes (make the tone that a quarter
makes going into the payphone, free calls.)
lotsa stuff to do with cellular phones, playing with people using phones,
and a whole lot of "oh yeah, you can do this, I can do THAT."
i'm not sure
it's all part of the freakout
there's a lot more. (if you want info (sorry, joseph, not sure of this was
what you wanted us not to do) try www.2600.com)
i think they're funny people.
funny strange and funny haha.
pick up your phone
dial 2112345
what happens? :)
it works on most phones
at least, i think it's that number... there's a lot of 211s that do a lot of
things. :)
#47/50: By: diatribe (#4) : allen in my head, he's floating in the stars
04/06/97 02:18am
he's the farthest from dead that anyone could ever get
who is left to love burroughs like that? is he alone now,steadily more and
more?
for ah pook's sake.
#48/50: By: Joseph (#1) (SysOp) : clarificacion
04/06/97 03:54pm
discussing the www is not a problem. dwelling on the subject of the internet,
taking the internet for granted as associated with our ability to be on
mw, talking about cool internet sites and cool internet practices just for the
sake of being hip and hooking one another into cool net stuff? those can be
outside the style guides.
the internet is now officially so hip that mw has to stay one step behind it to
remain hipper.
#49/50: By: ZAPHOD (#41) : I so intensly agree....
04/06/97 09:14pm
Rember, I have only been posting here for 7-8 months, all I had
was a 286 but I could BBS just fine and will continue to do so
as long as management will put up with my presence.
#50/50: By: thok (#69) : saline generosity.
04/09/97 02:42am
you need the internet to watch east german television.
Los Angeles by Night
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